P Hornby's Friday BBB RC Interview

[olbarrafancumbak]

I don't claim to know what was spent by Paul Casson but we can all take the [SwearFilter] about lights and boiler but I did hear a rumour that Cox's main season, the playing budget alone was 750k.. if that's true, along with signings, purchase of ground and club and the other seasons budgets etc, he must of piled a fair bit in?

I won't be one to slag them off, they didn't quite get it right for sure!!
I still believe he tried for genuine reasons but underestimated what it was all about? I mean FFS, they didn't do a Vaughan so that's something!!

We are in a new era now, we seem to be in good capable hands with a good mix of directors, business minds, support volunteers and the trust.

We may not have millions to spend like other teams but what we have is a genuine bunch that want to make it right and go forward with stability and good ethics.

Its been a rollercoaster few years but hopefully the road now is straight forward and we CAN achieve great things so long as we keep behind them.

Do we really wanna know the ins n outs of a fart?
I just want to see the team winning

[Pedro]

I was a big critic of Paul Casson because I thought he did not have a plan.
He did invest alot of money but looking at US tax law he would have been allowed to offset what he spent by a minimum of at least 30percent if not more plus depreciation.
I think what is being questioned is what was the balance sheet was like once he had left
I appreciate other debts have come out of the woodwork later.
A statement could be issued to those concerned,it's historical so of no help to other football clubs.
It may of course been part of the agreement of transfer by Paul Casson that the actual finances of the club should not be disclosed to save face

[olbarrafancumbak]

I was a big critic of Paul Casson because I thought he did not have a plan.
He did invest alot of money but looking at US tax law he would have been allowed to offset what he spent by a minimum of at least 30percent if not more plus depreciation.
I think what is being questioned is what was the balance sheet was like once he had left
I appreciate other debts have come out of the woodwork later.
A statement could be issued to those concerned,it's historical so of no help to other football clubs.
It may of course been part of the agreement of transfer by Paul Casson that the actual finances of the club should not be disclosed to save face

New era now bud.. we can dwell on the past or look forward with a glint in our eyes, what's it gonna be?

I'm looking forward always..

[Pedro]

I was a big critic of Paul Casson because I thought he did not have a plan.
He did invest alot of money but looking at US tax law he would have been allowed to offset what he spent by a minimum of at least 30percent if not more plus depreciation.
I think what is being questioned is what was the balance sheet was like once he had left
I appreciate other debts have come out of the woodwork later.
A statement could be issued to those concerned,it's historical so of no help to other football clubs.
It may of course been part of the agreement of transfer by Paul Casson that the actual finances of the club should not be disclosed to save face

New era now bud.. we can dwell on the past or look forward with a glint in our eyes, what's it gonna be?

I'm looking forward always..
Bud? That's a term the yanks use.
Yes it's a new era but you need to know the starting point.
You can only look forward when you know the starting point mate otherwise you are a banana republic or or a yank full of excrement

[olbarrafancumbak]

New era now bud.. we can dwell on the past or look forward with a glint in our eyes, what's it gonna be?

I'm looking forward always..
Bud? That's a term the yanks use.
Yes it's a new era but you need to know the starting point.
You can only look forward when you know the starting point mate otherwise you are a banana republic or or a yank full of excrement

Oh I'm sorry pal (or is that just for dogs)

The starting point was when the new board took over.

FFS man, is there nothing in the world that makes you even the slightest bit happy?

[Hadrian]

I love irony.

[Hitthebar22]

I was a big critic of Paul Casson because I thought he did not have a plan.
He did invest alot of money but looking at US tax law he would have been allowed to offset what he spent by a minimum of at least 30percent if not more plus depreciation.
I think what is being questioned is what was the balance sheet was like once he had left
I appreciate other debts have come out of the woodwork later.
A statement could be issued to those concerned,it's historical so of no help to other football clubs.
It may of course been part of the agreement of transfer by Paul Casson that the actual finances of the club should not be disclosed to save face

Of course he had a plan, it maybe wasn't the right one, but his genuine plan was to get his home football team into the league. He was too naive to get it done, that's all.
You rubbished him consistently over everything, and were insulting on here with pretty much every post.
I think you disliked him because he had money, and you were jealous of him. When will you let it drop?
There is very strong argument that Paul Casson saved the club.

[russell_anderson]

I don't think for a moment that Paul Casson had anything other than the best of intentions for Barrow AFC. What surprised me was that he didn't seem to have the slightest idea just how much money is needed season after season to keep a club running at the level of his initial ambition. What I am sure of is that he put in a huge amount of money far and above what we will ever see put into Barrow AFC again unless by some miracle another ex-Barrovian millionaire turns up who wants to spend good portion of his or her millions into a hobby which he or she will never see again!

[Pedro]

I was a big critic of Paul Casson because I thought he did not have a plan.
He did invest alot of money but looking at US tax law he would have been allowed to offset what he spent by a minimum of at least 30percent if not more plus depreciation.
I think what is being questioned is what was the balance sheet was like once he had left
I appreciate other debts have come out of the woodwork later.
A statement could be issued to those concerned,it's historical so of no help to other football clubs.
It may of course been part of the agreement of transfer by Paul Casson that the actual finances of the club should not be disclosed to save face

Of course he had a plan, it maybe wasn't the right one, but his genuine plan was to get his home football team into the league. He was too naive to get it done, that's all.
You rubbished him consistently over everything, and were insulting on here with pretty much every post.
I think you disliked him because he had money, and you were jealous of him. When will you let it drop?
There is very strong argument that Paul Casson saved the club.

This thread was raised by others.
I judged him on his actions.
I've only supported Barrow for 50 years.Its not s plaything .
He came promised things which he had no idea of how he was going to achieve it.
I think it was a ego trip that went wrong very quickly
We saw a season were we lost more staff than any club has ever before
I think his intentions were good but no structure and idea and as they say a fool and his money are soon parted
The fact is some people want to know what the financial state of play was when he left and we accept things have come out of the woodwork
I realise he has a few sycophants followers and its summed up when upstairs in Preston St , Andrew came in and one of his followers said to the barmaid do you know who this is?
So not jealous BAFC is not a plaything.

[EL CHAS]

Regarding our finances I think all people want to know is what is our current debt and how much do we project to lose this season given our current expenditure and gates averaging around 1350. I wouldn’t have thought this a very difficult question

[Suffolk Blue]

Of course he had a plan, it maybe wasn't the right one, but his genuine plan was to get his home football team into the league. He was too naive to get it done, that's all.
You rubbished him consistently over everything, and were insulting on here with pretty much every post.
I think you disliked him because he had money, and you were jealous of him. When will you let it drop?
There is very strong argument that Paul Casson saved the club.

This thread was raised by others.
I judged him on his actions.
I've only supported Barrow for 50 years.Its not s plaything .
He came promised things which he had no idea of how he was going to achieve it.
I think it was a ego trip that went wrong very quickly
We saw a season were we lost more staff than any club has ever before
I think his intentions were good but no structure and idea and as they say a fool and his money are soon parted
The fact is some people want to know what the financial state of play was when he left and we accept things have come out of the woodwork
I realise he has a few sycophants followers and its summed up when upstairs in Preston St , Andrew came in and one of his followers said to the barmaid do you know who this is?
So not jealous BAFC is not a plaything.

Both sets of views have an element of truth in them. The Cassons clearly did sink a significant amount of money into the club for reasons that were primarily driven by emotional attachment. In that sense they were not the "money men" that some wanted us all to believe by the end. In fact if they had have been "money men" they might have done a better job or alternatively not got involved in the first place. Where I think Pedro does have a valid point however is that there is not much to support the view that the Cassons did have a particularly well defined strategy or business plan for the club and despite using the right language when describing the need for "sustainability" there was very little visible evidence that this was ever defined or quantified or used to drive or justify their investment.

In actual fact they chose to run an English Non League football club with a strong community support base essentially as a family business from several thousand miles away, primarily as a means of controlling the purse strings. With hindsight, this was never going to be a recipe for success and was made worse by the "familial" directorship model of the club which (in my opinion at least) lacked UK business expertise as well as local knowledge and was therefore not surprising weak. Indeed the contrast in terms of apparent professionalism and direction with the current regime at the club is pretty stark. Lastly as I've suggested before, estimations of their real (i.e. available) wealth have been highly exaggerated and their core US business has been facing some well documented challenges. A club such as ours is a money pit, a beast that will kill you unless you have both the means and appetite to try and tame it. Inevitably they became short on the means and lost their appetite.

Non of this implied criticism detracts from the fundamental truth that by choosing to invest in BAFC in the first place, they may very well have saved it from demotion if not liquidation. For this we should be thankful and I think history will judge their stewardship of the club accordingly as benevolent and well intentioned. Their administration of the club (in developmental rather than legal terms) was undoubtedly poor however and its always been my view that this more than any specific financial issue undermined their ownership. They were therefore sadly the architects of their own demise.

[Pedro]

Regarding our finances I think all people want to know is what is our current debt and how much do we project to lose this season given our current expenditure and gates averaging around 1350. I wouldn’t have thought this a very difficult question

Exactly

[Pedro]

This thread was raised by others.
I judged him on his actions.
I've only supported Barrow for 50 years.Its not s plaything .
He came promised things which he had no idea of how he was going to achieve it.
I think it was a ego trip that went wrong very quickly
We saw a season were we lost more staff than any club has ever before
I think his intentions were good but no structure and idea and as they say a fool and his money are soon parted
The fact is some people want to know what the financial state of play was when he left and we accept things have come out of the woodwork
I realise he has a few sycophants followers and its summed up when upstairs in Preston St , Andrew came in and one of his followers said to the barmaid do you know who this is?
So not jealous BAFC is not a plaything.

Both sets of views have an element of truth in them. The Cassons clearly did sink a significant amount of money into the club for reasons that were primarily driven by emotional attachment. In that sense they were not the "money men" that some wanted us all to believe by the end. In fact if they had have been "money men" they might have done a better job or alternatively not got involved in the first place. Where I think Pedro does have a valid point however is that there is not much to support the view that the Cassons did have a particularly well defined strategy or business plan for the club and despite using the right language when describing the need for "sustainability" there was very little visible evidence that this was ever defined or quantified or used to drive or justify their investment.

In actual fact they chose to run an English Non League football club with a strong community support base essentially as a family business from several thousand miles away, primarily as a means of controlling the purse strings. With hindsight, this was never going to be a recipe for success and was made worse by the "familial" directorship model of the club which (in my opinion at least) lacked UK business expertise as well as local knowledge and was therefore not surprising weak. Indeed the contrast in terms of apparent professionalism and direction with the current regime at the club is pretty stark. Lastly as I've suggested before, estimations of their real (i.e. available) wealth have been highly exaggerated and their core US business has been facing some well documented challenges. A club such as ours is a money pit, a beast that will kill you unless you have both the means and appetite to try and tame it. Inevitably they became short on the means and lost their appetite.

Non of this implied criticism detracts from the fundamental truth that by choosing to invest in BAFC in the first place, they may very well have saved it from demotion if not liquidation. For this we should be thankful and I think history will judge their stewardship of the club accordingly as benevolent and well intentioned. Their administration of the club (in developmental rather than legal terms) was undoubtedly poor however and its always been my view that this more than any specific financial issue undermined their ownership. They were therefore sadly the architects of their own demise.

Thank you .
My only I interest is BAFC and we have had some bad times Steven Vaughan was one of them.
A man steps in and tells us what he is going to do but is way out of his depth.
He would have been far better to say I am going to do the best for the club with no expectations.
Yes he did try unlike other well known people like Emyln Hughes he just raised expectations

[olbarrafancumbak]

Both sets of views have an element of truth in them. The Cassons clearly did sink a significant amount of money into the club for reasons that were primarily driven by emotional attachment. In that sense they were not the "money men" that some wanted us all to believe by the end. In fact if they had have been "money men" they might have done a better job or alternatively not got involved in the first place. Where I think Pedro does have a valid point however is that there is not much to support the view that the Cassons did have a particularly well defined strategy or business plan for the club and despite using the right language when describing the need for "sustainability" there was very little visible evidence that this was ever defined or quantified or used to drive or justify their investment.

In actual fact they chose to run an English Non League football club with a strong community support base essentially as a family business from several thousand miles away, primarily as a means of controlling the purse strings. With hindsight, this was never going to be a recipe for success and was made worse by the "familial" directorship model of the club which (in my opinion at least) lacked UK business expertise as well as local knowledge and was therefore not surprising weak. Indeed the contrast in terms of apparent professionalism and direction with the current regime at the club is pretty stark. Lastly as I've suggested before, estimations of their real (i.e. available) wealth have been highly exaggerated and their core US business has been facing some well documented challenges. A club such as ours is a money pit, a beast that will kill you unless you have both the means and appetite to try and tame it. Inevitably they became short on the means and lost their appetite.

Non of this implied criticism detracts from the fundamental truth that by choosing to invest in BAFC in the first place, they may very well have saved it from demotion if not liquidation. For this we should be thankful and I think history will judge their stewardship of the club accordingly as benevolent and well intentioned. Their administration of the club (in developmental rather than legal terms) was undoubtedly poor however and its always been my view that this more than any specific financial issue undermined their ownership. They were therefore sadly the architects of their own demise.

Thank you .
My only I interest is BAFC and we have had some bad times Steven Vaughan was one of them.
A man steps in and tells us what he is going to do but is way out of his depth.
He would have been far better to say I am going to do the best for the club with no expectations.
Yes he did try unlike other well known people like Emyln Hughes he just raised expectations

Omg just let it go now will ya!! They haven't done a Vaughan so get over it. Its becoming as boring as coronation Street

[HenneysKnee]

Casson leaving his son over here to run the club was the problem basically