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Re: Players released by other clubs - who we might be interested in....

Post by MisterPleasant » Fri May 20, 2022 1:05 pm

Methuselah wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:37 am You cannot have a situation where a club is allowed to poach a player or manager who is still under contract to their parent club just because they offer a wad of money.Rules need to be put in place whereby employees of the club have to work a set amount of notice as applies in industry and where a player thows a strop and refuses to play,because they want to move to club which is trying to poach them,the parent club should stop paying their wages as they have breached the terms of their contract.
With proper rules in place it might bring an end the situation where a lot of clubs are living above their means and end up going bankrupt and create a more level playing field for all lower league clubs,who might have a decent side and find their best players being poached at the start of a season and ending up in a similar situation as Barrow when we came back into the EFL with no manager with all the instability it created,a situation we have still not fully recovered from and we are about to start a third season in the EFL.
There is a rule: players can only move during the transfer window (end of season or January) so, effectively, they are working notice. Clearly, it still doesn't stop back door approaches being made.
How do you define 'a strop'? Do you pay slightly lower wages for a bit of a paddy and stop them completely for a full-on throw-your-teddy-out-of-the-pram?
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Post by Suffolk Blue » Fri May 20, 2022 1:52 pm

Methuselah wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:37 am I think the problem Barrow have as a club is that it is having to compete with clubs who have owners who have millionaire owners who for them £250000 is nothing when it comes to signing a player.These clubs are buying success and it's not a level playing field out there.Some if these clubs will go to the wall eventually,because of their spending.
You cannot have a situation where a club is allowed to poach a player or manager who is still under contract to their parent club just because they offer a wad of money.Rules need to be put in place whereby employees of the club have to work a set amount of notice as applies in industry and where a player thows a strop and refuses to play,because they want to move to club which is trying to poach them,the parent club should stop paying their wages as they have breached the terms of their contract.
With proper rules in place it might bring an end the situation where a lot of clubs are living above their means and end up going bankrupt and create a more level playing field for all lower league clubs,who might have a decent side and find their best players being poached at the start of a season and ending up in a similar situation as Barrow when we came back into the EFL with no manager with all the instability it created,a situation we have still not fully recovered from and we are about to start a third season in the EFL.
Fell like another rant coming on.. In summary I dont think you need to add more rules to the ones we already operate under. You simply have to enforce the rules that exist.

We have two competing entities in play. Market forces and Legal constraints. When one is enforced to the detriment of the other, as is the case now then what you see is what you get. Boom and bust, the biggest thrive, the smallest struggle to survive. Players dropping divisions for twice the salary. Some might say that this is a reflection on our society as a whole. However it manifests itself in a particular way in professional football.

Firstly if a bored bloke with tens of millions of pounds wants to blow it on owning a football club there's nothing to stop them from doing so and I dont really have a problem with that per se. However as we know what many then do is manipulate the commercial legal framework designed to control business management in order to exploit conditions in their favour. Thus we end up with clubs treated as personal assets or in ways in which limit the liability of said owner in the event that he/she no longer wishes to be the owner. This enables the boom and bust culture to thrive. So Stockport (allegedly) are now buying players for £250k. A few years ago a fee of £25k would have bankrupted them. They were poor and now they are rich. A success story? But bear in mind that in those bad years, all the forces of the community, the FA, the local media, the National League were being used to find ways of propping that club up. To save a club with a long and proud history from oblivion.

The alternative is to actively seek to terminate these clubs when they fall into a level of debt that would otherwise have them wound up. That sounds harsh and the natural reaction of the fan is want to support rather than bury or reinvent their team. But these are the conditions that create the "shells" that then become the play things of people with a lot of accumulated wealth but with a poor appreciation of risk. We have 100+ professional football clubs in the UK. All producing the same product. Its too many. But we all know that and we all still prize the Pyramid. Me included.

Oh and why not at least try and enforce Fit and Proper person rules to those owning football clubs.

The other issue - that of contracts is really where the entire industry is (IMO) criminally culpable. The plain fact of the matter is that for any club there will be times when enforcing the terms of a contract will hurt them and times when they will benefit. Thats the purpose of legal contracts. Clubs want a player to fulfill a contract unless he is crap and then they want to find ways of getting rid without paying out on the remaining contract term. Then they exploit the rules by enticing players from clubs whilst they are under contract. Players ignore their contractual obligations when they want to leave forcing a sale and knowing that their market value decreases with every day they are in dispute. In this they are more than aided and abetted by independent unregulated agents who are then paid by the same clubs for the privilege of perpetuating the system.

So whilst at face value the business has a contractual framework like any other it operates to a fractured and fragmented set of rules in which each stakeholder is complicit is bending and manipulating them. Including the Premiership and EFL who's prime directive is to support the needs of their members. Jesus - I seem to making a case for the FA to do the job it was created to do. I must've gone wrong somewhere. In truth the FA owns the technical rule book but has been totally pushed out of commercial business practice including the legal frameworks governing them.

Its all there Methuselah. Everything thing you need to make the business of football operate close what you might consider to be acceptable business norms. It just requires those with power to exercise it equitably. Unfortunately as we know power does tend to corrupt.

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Post by Methuselah » Fri May 20, 2022 6:00 pm

Well said Suffolk Blue for explaining it in great detail and as you have said,until the EFL and the Premier League start enforcing the rules we are never going to have a level playing field,because most of the greedy agents and owners would have their wings clipped and they wouldn't,t want that,so the rules will continue to be bent until somebody has the temerity to take another club to court for a flagrant violation of the rules and we al no that is never going to happen.

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Post by Mrsbrown » Fri May 20, 2022 9:10 pm

There's a few on here all out of contract and free agents: :lol:


https://www.goal.com/en/lists/out-of-co ... 72001697bd

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Post by Hawcoat » Sat May 21, 2022 10:40 am

Ash Hunter been released by Salford he'd be a handy pick up, certainly carries a goal threat from out wide. Few others released from there too who would do a job for us I would have thought. https://salfordcityfc.co.uk/retained-an ... st-210522/

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Post by Robwez10 » Sat May 21, 2022 10:43 am

Ian Henderson

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Post by HenneysKnee » Sat May 21, 2022 11:08 am

Hawcoat wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:40 am Ash Hunter been released by Salford he'd be a handy pick up, certainly carries a goal threat from out wide. Few others released from there too who would do a job for us I would have thought. https://salfordcityfc.co.uk/retained-an ... st-210522/
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Post by RedWeb » Sat May 21, 2022 11:10 am

Robwez10 wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:43 am Ian Henderson
At 37 I'd imagine the "his legs have gone" brigade would have a field day.

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Post by SKIPPER » Sat May 21, 2022 1:07 pm

Freddie Ladapo a player we made a record-breaking bid for when he was at Margate a few years ago has been released by Rotherham. He joined Crystal Palace after a trial after we were turned down.He requested a transfer in January but it was turned down. Apparently he wanted to move nearer his mother who was ill.on the flipside he has been described as 'a player with Championship skills but a non-league attitude'

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Post by Scott » Sat May 21, 2022 1:30 pm

RedWeb wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 11:10 am
Robwez10 wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 10:43 am Ian Henderson
At 37 I'd imagine the "his legs have gone" brigade would have a field day.
Cracking player in his day but had an injury hit season with Salford and we've had enough crocks recently in Nlthe, M Jones etc. without shelling out more money on another!

Ash Hunter, Luke Burgess I'd take. Emmanuel Dieseruvwe too ex Salford who is leaving Tranmere this summer. 6'5 striker.

Imperative we get a manager sorted sooner rather than later so we're not left picking over the scraps of unwanted players.

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Post by chipmunx » Mon May 23, 2022 11:01 am

Released by Oldham;-

Dylan Bahamboula, Kane Badby, Ousseynou Cisse, Raphael Diarra, Dylan Fage, Jamie Hopcutt, Kyle Jameson, Davis Keillor-Dunn, Christopher Missilou, Tope Obadeyi, Carl Piergianni, Danny Rogers, Callum Whelan

Bahamboula, Piergianni and Keillor-Dunn will end up with L2 teams - probably not us though.
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Post by Suffolk Blue » Mon May 23, 2022 11:48 am

It’s like discount day at TKMaxx.

Surely there’s something in that pile that fits us.

Question is - who’s got the credit card?

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Post by Suffolk Blue » Mon May 23, 2022 11:49 am

……..except Kyle Jamieson obviously

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Post by chipmunx » Mon May 23, 2022 1:39 pm

Suffolk Blue wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 11:49 am ……..except Kyle Jamieson obviously
true
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Post by Hadrian » Mon May 23, 2022 3:33 pm

Discount day at Primark, perhaps?

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