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Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:43 pm
by Main Stand SeasonTct
mall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:36 pm
I don't think he'll stay. I want him to but I have a feeling he wont.
I think he will. His stock is low clubs won’t exactly by queuing up to take him on.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:27 pm
by Hadrian
liverpoolann wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:14 am
Like Holloway would like him to stay but only if he trains with team more than the now two days a week quoted.Believe he lives midlands way so could be problem?He will probably look for something closer to home.Hope we get more north west and northeast players and a sprinkling of those from elsewhere with a point to prove as our replacements.
Possible that the reason he has trained with us on limited occasions may be that he has to train with his own club as part of the loan agreement?
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:20 pm
by Sea Dog Sam
behind the goals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:18 pm
What has changed people`s mind about Amadi-Holloway 2 weeks ago he was garbage according to many forum members.
I don't think he's garbage - holds the ball well and creates space for others. However, I would still like to see him gone due to his lack of goals. Not just for us but his other clubs. He's scored 15 goals in 200 appearances over the last 10 years!
Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Amadi-Holloway
And some want him to stay? Really?
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:27 pm
by Wintergreen
"The Bluebirds boss, who has led the club to League Two safety, says club chiefs have made it clear they want him to stay. "
Read all about it!
https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/20100260 ... arrow-afc/
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:33 pm
by Jim
Some will say words are cheap, but I like his attitude.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:16 pm
by HenneysKnee
Notice there he doesn’t actually mention training in Barrow like he has in the past but “having a home” basically just saying to the board we need a regular steady training ground. Sensible
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:31 pm
by Jim
HenneysKnee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:16 pm
Notice there he doesn’t actually mention training in Barrow like he has in the past but “having a home” basically just saying to the board we need a regular steady training ground. Sensible
I think a 'training base' in Barrow is not practical as we can't expect players whose homes may be all over the country to come up to barrow every week. Somewhere in deepest Lancashire would seem sensible.
However, I do think it would be good to have a full day in Barrow on the day before a home game, whether that is Monday or Friday.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:03 pm
by Hitthebar22
Seem to have reached a discernible point which has a variety of repercussions. He has said that the Barrow chairman/owners want him. Also he has strongly hinted that he'd only be interested if there was a notable amount of "ambition". From different perspectives that could a multitude of things. In the same article/interview he mentioned his involvement with Bolton and Europe. In our wildest wildest wildest dreams Barrow will not get to Europe. So why does he mention it? The danger that this overt identification of "ambition" causes is if he doesn't take the job, the presumption is Barrow are not ambitious enough. What sort of message might that send out to potential incumbent managers? Ill thought out by Brown in those circumstances I'd say. On the other hand if he signs up I'll back him.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:11 pm
by Fazered
Hitthebar22 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:03 pm
Seem to have reached a discernible point which has a variety of repercussions. He has said that the Barrow chairman/owners want him. Also he has strongly hinted that he'd only be interested if there was a notable amount of "ambition". From different perspectives that could a multitude of things. In the same article/interview he mentioned his involvement with Bolton and Europe. In our wildest wildest wildest dreams Barrow will not get to Europe. So why does he mention it? The danger that this overt identification of "ambition" causes is if he doesn't take the job, the presumption is Barrow are not ambitious enough. What sort of message might that send out to potential incumbent managers? Ill thought out by Brown in those circumstances I'd say. On the other hand if he signs up I'll back him.
Sounds to me like he is just angling for a good budget
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:16 pm
by Main Stand SeasonTct
Hitthebar22 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:03 pm
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Seem to have reached a discernible point which has a variety of repercussions. He has said that the Barrow chairman/owners want him. Also he has strongly hinted that he'd only be interested if there was a notable amount of "ambition". From different perspectives that could a multitude of things. In the same article/interview he mentioned his involvement with Bolton and Europe. In our wildest wildest wildest dreams Barrow will not get to Europe. So why does he mention it? The danger that this overt identification of "ambition" causes is if he doesn't take the job, the presumption is Barrow are not ambitious enough. What sort of message might that send out to potential incumbent managers? Ill thought out by Brown in those circumstances I'd say. On the other hand if he signs up I'll back him.
I have to agree. On reading it I thought who the hell does he think he is. His recent track record is appalling and clubs were not falling over themselves to employ him in any capacity since his sacking early season at Southend. I doubt many are now. If as Brown claims the club have told him they want him then that’s a mistake by the board. It was for nine games by all means have discussions with him but make the decision after those games and give no firm indication until then.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:32 pm
by Hitthebar22
Main Stand SeasonTct wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:16 pm
Hitthebar22 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:03 pm
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Seem to have reached a discernible point which has a variety of repercussions. He has said that the Barrow chairman/owners want him. Also he has strongly hinted that he'd only be interested if there was a notable amount of "ambition". From different perspectives that could a multitude of things. In the same article/interview he mentioned his involvement with Bolton and Europe. In our wildest wildest wildest dreams Barrow will not get to Europe. So why does he mention it? The danger that this overt identification of "ambition" causes is if he doesn't take the job, the presumption is Barrow are not ambitious enough. What sort of message might that send out to potential incumbent managers? Ill thought out by Brown in those circumstances I'd say. On the other hand if he signs up I'll back him.
I have to agree. On reading it I thought who the hell does he think he is. His recent track record is appalling and clubs were not falling over themselves to employ him in any capacity since his sacking early season at Southend. I doubt many are now. If as Brown claims the club have told him they want him then that’s a mistake by the board. It was for nine games by all means have discussions with him but make the decision after those games and give no firm indication until then.
I'm very surprised that he was so forthcoming in that NWEM interview. Indicating that he'd been offered the job, and deciding whether he'd take it based on "ambition" I think at this stage is very ill advised and disrespectful. If he turns us down now, once again we have to deal with the "little old Barrow" tag. Part of Brown's strength may be instinctively shooting from the hip (did well in a football sense in the short turn for us), but could also be his weakness. Potentially not measured enough.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:57 pm
by Suffolk Blue
Don’t know what other kind of interview anybody would think Phil Brown would give. He is pretty predictable and will throw out the usual comments based on his ‘experience” of management.
Nothing wrong with the theory. Cooper tended to hone in on the same things. But there are reasons why the club is constrained and they they are not all within the capability of this board to change. Brown had a similar discussion with Ron Martin at Southend same time last year after their relegation and said much the same. Took the job and made a pigs ear of it.
Brown has done the job he was asked to do. Employing him beyond the end of this season is a different kettle of fish.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:01 pm
by Hitthebar22
Suffolk Blue wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:57 pm
Don’t know what other kind of interview anybody would think Phil Brown would give. He is pretty predictable and will throw out the usual comments based on his ‘experience” of management.
Nothing wrong with the theory. Cooper tended to hone in on the same things. But there are reasons why the club is constrained and they they are not all within the capability of this board to change. Brown had a similar discussion with Ron Martin at Southend same time last year after their relegation and said much the same. Took the job and made a pigs ear of it.
Brown has done the job he was asked to do. Employing him beyond the end of this season is a different kettle of fish.
Could have just kept his mouth shut, but think there is a bit of conceit there which has prevented it
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:26 pm
by bluessupporter
Hitthebar22 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:01 pm
Could have just kept his mouth shut, but think there is a bit of conceit there which has prevented it
Or pushing up his price, no doubt helped on by his agent.
Re: Brownies HONEYMOON PERIOD
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:38 pm
by Hitthebar22
bluessupporter wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:26 pm
Hitthebar22 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:01 pm
Could have just kept his mouth shut, but think there is a bit of conceit there which has prevented it
Or pushing up his price, no doubt helped on by his agent.
There is that cynical analysis of course. Money being the root of all evil, naturally. Without doubt he has fulfilled the required task, and hats off on that basis, but there is evidence recently (and historically) that he has elevated his own importance and he may well be ambitious beyond his ability. I'd be much more in favour if he had a quiet humility about him, on the back of (undeniably) galvanising our squad of players to win and survive. In the long run he might be his own worst enemy.
