Barrow v Leamington

[K_BFC]

Simon Grand was in an offside position when the free kick was taken, but made no attempt to either jump or play the ball so should have not been given offside

I've looked again and he does move and he is going for the ball.

Grand is on the edge of the area and moves further into the area under the flight path of the ball. It is obvious he is trying to get on the end of the free kick. He bends his legs ready to jump, then realises it is going over him so just stands up straight and turns around. As Cook starts to jump they are very close to each other, closer than they were on the edge of the area.

He was trying to play it but remember offside is it not always about attempting to play the ball, seeking an advantage or making contact with another player can also count. He was looking to gain advantage by moving toward the ball and they were surrounded by defenders that were paying both of them both a lot of attention, all with in a few yards. Cook did nothing wrong, Grand was caught offside and one way or another was interfering with play. His only defence is that he did not touch the ball and Cook did instead. Don't think it was enough in this case as he is right in there making contact and trying to take advantage. Offside is a bit daft these days.

Knowing the refs at this level though match report will have Cook as being offside.

[snortypig]

I coach a junior football team and there are still occasisons when touch-line know-alls get on their high horse and so I have printed this out and shoved it under the noses of ignorant coaches and parents and told them to read it, properly.


From those at FIFA


http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballd ... 90867.html

or for those who cant folow the link

LAW 11 - OFFSIDE

Offside position

It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:


•he is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent

A player is not in an offside position if:


•he is in his own half of the field of play or
•he is level with the second-last opponent or
•he is level with the last two opponents




Offence

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:


•interfering with play or
•interfering with an opponent or
•gaining an advantage by being in that position




No offence

There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:


•a goal kick
•a throw-in
•a corner kick




Infringements and sanctions

In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 - Position of free kick).





PreviousNext Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:

he is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:

he is in his own half of the field of play or
he is level with the second-last opponent or
he is level with the last two opponents


Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position


No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

a goal kick
a throw-in
a corner kick


Infringements and sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 - Position of free kick).


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[Steelworks End]

Interfering with an opponent? The mind boggles.

[K_BFC]

I coach a junior football team and there are still occasisons when touch-line know-alls get on their high horse and so I have printed this out and shoved it under the noses of ignorant coaches and parents and told them to read it, properly.

Not sure who this comment is aimed at but no high horse from me I hope, playing devil's advocate. I studied to become a referee a number of years ago, and I think I can see why he gave it offside but as I pointed out it could be something else. It happened very fast and there is a lot to watch for from the assistants point of view. Easy to miss something if your concentration is broken or distracted.

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position

Pretty much what I was pointing out, he moved toward the ball seeking an advantage. So linesman probably thought Grand was interfering, I recall them all being much closer together from the angle I saw it. The video shows it look differently, but Grand comes very close to the play and the defenders. Official might have been looking at something else entirely, who knows? Water under the bridge.

[ziggy]

Who cares we won ! Sometimes decisions will go with us sometimes they won't. The addage is that things usually even out over a season. When we lose to a lousy decision against Runcorn town then it's time to complain. !!

[32mile_cul-de-sac]

I have always thought you could be offside from a goal kick

[snortypig]

I coach a junior football team and there are still occasisons when touch-line know-alls get on their high horse and so I have printed this out and shoved it under the noses of ignorant coaches and parents and told them to read it, properly.

Not sure who this comment is aimed at but no high horse from me I hope, playing devil's advocate. I studied to become a referee a number of years ago, and I think I can see why he gave it offside but as I pointed out it could be something else. It happened very fast and there is a lot to watch for from the assistants point of view. Easy to miss something if your concentration is broken or distracted.

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position

Pretty much what I was pointing out, he moved toward the ball seeking an advantage. So linesman probably thought Grand was interfering, I recall them all being much closer together from the angle I saw it. The video shows it look differently, but Grand comes very close to the play and the defenders. Official might have been looking at something else entirely, who knows? Water under the bridge.

My comment isn't aimed at you K_BFC it's posted purely to explain Law 11 as pre-scribed by the governing body.

The comment by 32m-cds kinda backs up what I'm trying to explain

Offside is still the most controversial incident at any junior fotball match - flag happy ill-informed coaches (as acting linesmen) who really dont know what they're doing and even more un-educated parents who are in no position (literally) to judge if a player is/isn't offside.

If anyone has any doubts, get down to Ormsgill on a Saturday morning and you'll see what I mean.

[K_BFC]

I have always thought you could be offside from a goal kick

The comment by 32m-cds kinda backs up what I'm trying to explain

That is a really good example.