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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by whitty1969 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:43 pm

Suffolk Blue wrote:Well the highlights speak for themselves. However the post-match with PC reveal a man deeply disappointed with our first half performance. For those who weren't there it is really difficult to overstate how rank we were. They slept walked onto the pitch, allowed the opposition as much space as they wanted, conceded virtually everything in the air, were completely dominated by a positive, mobile and versatile Aldershot, played hoof ball extremely badly and when they did break the defensive line (in truth the Aldershot defense looked a little brittle when tested) couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo (Bennetts header excepted). The mood amongst the travelling support at half-time was funereal and the consensus was that based on that performance our play-off hopes could be laid to rest. We were expecting 3,4 or god forbid even worse. I was steeling myself with memories of numerous thrashings at Rushden & Diamonds, remembering Bromley last season, and how miserable those days were.

However this was not an ordinary day. As a supporter, you can have some good days, certainly many pretty uneventful ones and definitely many poor or bad ones. But on rare occasions, very rare, the experience transcends the normal and becomes emotional. That's what happened in the second half. Don't get me wrong, in truth we weren't that great in the second half - though we couldn't get much worse. But the mixture of bile, frustration, anger, disappointment and embarrassment began to build an atmosphere that enveloped players, management and supporters (both home and away) alike. When this happens things can go off script and you end up with something completely unpredictable. That's that's what happened in the last thirty minutes. It become a match played to a different set of rules.

The Tuton goal was pivotal in this and typical of what I mean. The move started with Diarra shanking the ball in front of Flatt to a howl of anger from the BAFC contingent and jeers of derision and laughter from the home fans. What happened next as you can see from the highlights was so out of keeping with our previous efforts, that I think even we in the away end struggled with a bit at first. Out of chaos came one of the best individual efforts I've ever seen from a Barrow player. This really stung Aldershot who until then were in total control. It changed their approach to the game. What they should've done is to keep coming forward - we were still the same team they had outclassed in the first half. However they chose to hold on to what they had and began to play keep ball.

My view is that it was this combined with the BAFC players continuing frustration with themselves that created a very tetchy physical last 20 minutes - though it has to be said that we agreed at half time that we wouldn't end the game with 22 on the field. The referee contributed to all of this obviously at one point appearing to wander along the touchline trying book members of the BAFC subs bench. 10 men then nine. God knows how many minutes injury time. The game was now well out of anybody's control. But Aldershot sat back - 11v10, 11v9 - the game was in their pocket. Only they had forgotten the law of sod - which says that in these circumstances what should be highly unlikely is almost bound to happen (does anybody remember Red Dwarf and their improbability machine)? Hannah's strike (which most of us were screaming for him to lump it on to Bennetts head in the box) was probably a 1 in ten, maybe even a one in 20 - from 30 yards minimum he actually puts it over the keeper into the top corner - just about the only place he could score. Cue pandemonium, the away end in meltdown, the home fans in shock. The little cameo that lasted a minute or so after the re-start illustrated just how bizarre this game had ended up - Aldershot making a cavalry charge straight down the pitch trying to barge their way like a rugby pack towards the barrow goal. Completely nuts. If that game had lasted five or ten minutes more I really believe we might have won it - probably by means of an Aldershot own goal from outside the box.

I will let others pick the bones out what was otherwise a dire performance and what happened in the end should not in any way disguise this. But its a very long time since I got so wound up that I actually ended up having a man hug during a game which might seem a little pathetic......but then again you just had to be there.
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Sounds a poor performance but the 2 Barrow goals and celebrations must of been worth the trip and the entrance fee alone......

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by spirit of 1990 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:32 pm

Them two goals are outstanding, two contenders for goal of the season! I think the Aldershot manager will be showing a video of our first goal to his players tomorrow asking how so many players could hold off for so long and let Tuton get that shot off.....an amazing run.
Ross's free kick was unbelievable - how he managed to lift it like that and get it into that top corner, top class stuff.

As others have said, the celebrations at the end just show what that result meant to them.......all in front of a stunned Shots bench :D
I thought Nicks second yellow was harsh, a very poor decision by the ref.
We didn't underestimate them, we just didn't think they were that good.

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by Jonty » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:13 pm

Richard Ingham wrote:An alternative view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1jtfiRNBIo
Brilliant those two Barrow goals. Want to see Moussa toughening up when those crosses come in. He gets caught flat footed too often.
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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by blue nige » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:42 pm

i have watched the Beeley incident at least 8 times and i see no intent to injure their player it`s a yellow nothing else the ref didn`t give himself anytime to think , i would appeal the decision, their player knew as soon as he went down what would happen! did he get booked? because it was blatant time wasting and whilst Beeley does put his foot because their player (cunningly moves) Beeley can do nothing else but catch him.

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Post by Suffolk Blue » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Re the Aldershot fans, I chatted with them in the pub before the game and several of us in another pub after the game and they were absolutely fine and quite normal if a little shell-shocked by the Hannah strike.

There was no bother. A few overly strong comments on their website in the immediate aftermath of the result but it was one of those days and that's what club forums are for. Better a rant than going home and beating up the old lady.

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by Arvo » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:43 pm

Richard Ingham wrote:An alternative view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1jtfiRNBIo
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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by Bigfathoss » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:42 pm

blue nige wrote:i have watched the Beeley incident at least 8 times and i see no intent to injure their player it`s a yellow nothing else the ref didn`t give himself anytime to think , i would appeal the decision, their player knew as soon as he went down what would happen! did he get booked? because it was blatant time wasting and whilst Beeley does put his foot because their player (cunningly moves) Beeley can do nothing else but catch him.
That's ridiculous. he went into an off-the-pitch tussle and stuck his studs straight into the guy's inner thigh> it was a [SwearFilter] disgusting and dirty thing to do. I like Beeley a lot as a player but that was an absolute shocker.
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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by orpheus » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:22 pm

Bigfathoss wrote:
blue nige wrote:i have watched the Beeley incident at least 8 times and i see no intent to injure their player it`s a yellow nothing else the ref didn`t give himself anytime to think , i would appeal the decision, their player knew as soon as he went down what would happen! did he get booked? because it was blatant time wasting and whilst Beeley does put his foot because their player (cunningly moves) Beeley can do nothing else but catch him.
That's ridiculous. he went into an off-the-pitch tussle and stuck his studs straight into the guy's inner thigh> it was a [SwearFilter] disgusting and dirty thing to do. I like Beeley a lot as a player but that was an absolute shocker.
having watched the highlights several times I can only agree.

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by Si_Nichols » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:32 pm

Got goosebumps watching the highlights. Don't get many better feelings at the end of a game than yesterday and it felt like a win after what had gone on before. Make no mistake we were absolute gash for almost the whole ninety minutes an were totally undeserving of the point but that's football. Two absolutely stonking goals that were worth the admission fee alone. As much as we were dirty/physical, Aldershot were niggly and time wasting and brought the dropped points on themselves. Having watched it back properly I can't see how we can moan about Beeley's red. Anderton's however was a bit of a nonsense but he was walking a tightrope after a very early bad tackle led to a caution and it affected his game all afternoon.

I can't see how we are good enough for the play-offs unless we improve dramatically and get some sort of consistency. Williams is now long overdue being dropped and I would stick Hannah in his place as he should be bubbling after that. Cox seems to be thinking about 3 up top so potentially Bennett with Tuton and Hannah. Don't care what others think of Harvey and I admire his battling but he never has been good enough at this level. If we go three in midfield then at the moment would go with Thomas, Wright + 1 other. Turnbull had a shocker yesterday too but he might be the correct third man. I presume we are going to be bringing in two new full backs as difficult to see who else could fill in there from the squad.

Chatted to a lot of Shots fans both pre and post match and it was good to mix in the bar under the stand - they seemed a pretty decent bunch and many had enjoyed their trip to Holker Street on the opening day. Walked past our coach on the way to local pub after the game and nothing but a bit of banter going on as far as I could see. Proceeded to spend several hours in the Royal Staff post match who were very welcoming and a late night after problems at Euston delayed me getting home so should also get a large chunk of train fare back - the day just kept on giving

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by whitty1969 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:20 am

At last. Someone with the same thoughts about Harvey as me. Need to control the midfield but we don't have a player that can do that.
Also feel the same about Hughes this season. Doesn't offer enough and is far too slow to play out wide...

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Post by Hitthebar22 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:18 am

whitty1969 wrote:At last. Someone with the same thoughts about Harvey as me. Need to control the midfield but we don't have a player that can do that.
Also feel the same about Hughes this season. Doesn't offer enough and is far too slow to play out wide...
whitty1969 wrote:At last. Someone with the same thoughts about Harvey as me. Need to control the midfield but we don't have a player that can do that.
Also feel the same about Hughes this season. Doesn't offer enough and is far too slow to play out wide...
I sort of agree about this, but not completely. We never play through midfield, so there is no design or tactic to take control that part of the pitch when we have possession. Our central midfielders are there to destroy the opposition when they have the ball. In fairness ARH not bad in that role, but Yates was better, and unquestionably we've missed him, and Parry (the best positional player at the club). If we fall onto midfield scraps, the ball often gets pinged to Williams, who was good, but has gone off the boil, and no longer requires two defenders to stop him. He's no where near as quick as he looked either.
Hughes is a bit of a lump; he fits pretty well into 442, mainly as a winner of throws down the line (99% do go down the line), and other headers. He has a bit of skill, but needs too much time. If we start with 3 up, as hinted at by PC then because of the players we have it will have to be 433, and Hughes won't get a look in. My preference in that system would be Thomas,Wright and Hannah, though a voyage into the great unknown.

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by Hitthebar22 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:26 am

Correction - Thomas Wright and Turnbull

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by Ralph » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:39 am

I've watched the highlights of the ATFC game, and with regards to Shaun Beeley's sending-off, look at how he comes into the the ATFC player holding the ball (the one stopping the throw-in being taken).

His right boot is up, studs showing and straight into the player's thigh, it's a long way from the ball. Have a look at the replay from 3 mins.

What Beeley did was a disgrace, and Cox needs to give a long hard think and consider if he wants a player capable of doing that ever representing Barrow again.

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Re: Aldershot v Barrow match thread

Post by blue nige » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:57 am

Bigfathoss wrote:
blue nige wrote:i have watched the Beeley incident at least 8 times and i see no intent to injure their player it`s a yellow nothing else the ref didn`t give himself anytime to think , i would appeal the decision, their player knew as soon as he went down what would happen! did he get booked? because it was blatant time wasting and whilst Beeley does put his foot because their player (cunningly moves) Beeley can do nothing else but catch him.
That's ridiculous. he went into an off-the-pitch tussle and stuck his studs straight into the guy's inner thigh> it was a [SwearFilter] disgusting and dirty thing to do. I like Beeley a lot as a player but that was an absolute shocker.
It`s that ridiculous that the club are appealing against it!

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