New manager - Who do you want?

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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by bluessupporter » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:39 am

Fowler now in India and no doubt on a fabulous wage. His reported wealth is £50M, so don’t think he would take what we might be able to offer.

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Post by Van Der Nipper » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:46 am

bluessupporter wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:39 am Fowler now in India and no doubt on a fabulous wage. His reported wealth is £50M, so don’t think he would take what we might be able to offer.
I'm not talking now,they are the 2 who the board had in mind in the summer.
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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by blue blue boy » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:54 am

Some top trolling by a few on here. Not usually a fan but the way some people (including the bookies) bite is amusing to watch. 🎣

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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by russell_anderson » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:04 am

Suffolk Blue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:15 pm In many ways the role for an incoming manager is more simple than it was for Dunn. There was so much expectation (rightly or wrongly) generated after last year. Evatt was a tough act to follow in that respect. The task is now much more straightforward for the next incumbent - do whats necessary, deliver enough points, keep us up.
It wasn't expectation that got David Dunn the sack. It was results. 2 wins from 17 games would put any manager under pressure whoever was the manager before him. In fact, there would have been zero pressure on David Dunn if he had even managed 5 or 6 wins from the 17 games and we had a reasonable cushion from the relegation spots. If Dunn's successor does no better than 2 wins from 17 games he will be under exactly the same pressure as was Dunn.

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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by Pedro » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:49 pm

Surprised to see Ady Pennock joint second in the betting.
I thought like Dunn he was a decent man but we could not win a game at home,our away form was better but it took the defeat of woking I think to save us.
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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by Suffolk Blue » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:28 pm

russell_anderson wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:04 am
Suffolk Blue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:15 pm In many ways the role for an incoming manager is more simple than it was for Dunn. There was so much expectation (rightly or wrongly) generated after last year. Evatt was a tough act to follow in that respect. The task is now much more straightforward for the next incumbent - do whats necessary, deliver enough points, keep us up.
It wasn't expectation that got David Dunn the sack. It was results. 2 wins from 17 games would put any manager under pressure whoever was the manager before him. In fact, there would have been zero pressure on David Dunn if he had even managed 5 or 6 wins from the 17 games and we had a reasonable cushion from the relegation spots. If Dunn's successor does no better than 2 wins from 17 games he will be under exactly the same pressure as was Dunn.
Thats not really what I was suggesting Russ. This is a results business and I would agree that all the recent "2 wins out of..." stuff whilst a bit monotonous and lacking in much sympathy was spot on and would result in the termination of any manager at any level. I'm simply suggesting the instructions to the new manager may more immediate and involve less flowery aspirational issues that could be confused as priorities. Essentially three words - Keep Us Up. That in itself will shape the type of manager that they go for. Their odds of selecting a "better" guy should therefore be improved.

I wouldn't want to insult David Dunn or draw conclusions in hindsight from too many comparisons with Ian Evatt. That would be unfair. But it has struck me a someone sitting watching events from a couple of hundred miles away that DD almost since day one exhibited a few signs (in his demeanor, mood, difficulties sometimes with expressing himself) of struggling to cope as a person with certain aspects of management. If you are presented with a brief that mixes priorities such as continuing the legacy, developing the shape and style of the squad and the given of getting results, its not difficult to see how this could overwhelm anyone who did not have a significant ego, let alone a relevant experience.

If the BoD is doing its job, it will take away some of the softer strategic aspirations from the next guy for the time being and focus him on one overriding priority. That's why it might be simpler for the next manager.

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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by walney rock » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:33 pm

Ffs pennock joint 2nd fav
Really nice bloke but deffo not the man for the job
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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by russell_anderson » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:06 pm

Suffolk Blue wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:28 pm
russell_anderson wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:04 am It wasn't expectation that got David Dunn the sack. It was results. 2 wins from 17 games would put any manager under pressure whoever was the manager before him. In fact, there would have been zero pressure on David Dunn if he had even managed 5 or 6 wins from the 17 games and we had a reasonable cushion from the relegation spots. If Dunn's successor does no better than 2 wins from 17 games he will be under exactly the same pressure as was Dunn.
Thats not really what I was suggesting Russ. This is a results business and I would agree that all the recent "2 wins out of..." stuff whilst a bit monotonous and lacking in much sympathy was spot on and would result in the termination of any manager at any level. I'm simply suggesting the instructions to the new manager may more immediate and involve less flowery aspirational issues that could be confused as priorities. Essentially three words - Keep Us Up. That in itself will shape the type of manager that they go for. Their odds of selecting a "better" guy should therefore be improved.

I wouldn't want to insult David Dunn or draw conclusions in hindsight from too many comparisons with Ian Evatt. That would be unfair. But it has struck me a someone sitting watching events from a couple of hundred miles away that DD almost since day one exhibited a few signs (in his demeanor, mood, difficulties sometimes with expressing himself) of struggling to cope as a person with certain aspects of management. If you are presented with a brief that mixes priorities such as continuing the legacy, developing the shape and style of the squad and the given of getting results, its not difficult to see how this could overwhelm anyone who did not have a significant ego, let alone a relevant experience.

If the BoD is doing its job, it will take away some of the softer strategic aspirations from the next guy for the time being and focus him on one overriding priority. That's why it might be simpler for the next manager.
Certainly agree that the new man's instructions will be simpler. Get us some points one way or another will be his brief!

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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by EHB » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:55 pm

I think Phil Parkinson is a good shout.

Proven at this level, experienced and surely could be tempted away from altrincham, who are doing very well at the moment.

As much as a I think the board have done a brilliant job so far we don’t Really have any experience organisationally across the club At this level, so a more experienced manager I think would be good for where we are.

Parkinson ticks the boxes.

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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by HenneysKnee » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:57 pm

The Parkinson at Altrincham is not the one you are thinking of

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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by Il Metronomo » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:02 pm

Parkinson is pretty disliked at every club he's been at due to the dire football he serves up. But he would probably get us organised and conceding fewer.

Still Big Dave Flitcroft for me.

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Post by NB Bluebird » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:13 pm

Pennock favourite, but I can't see him getting the job.

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Post by Jonty » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:04 pm

For me Being right for this job is 80% ridding the negative perception that held us back for years and was only eradicated under Evatt. It had started to resurface under Dunn who made it clear time and again that “we had made a big step up”. So someone with a track record of bringing everything together on and off the pitch, because that is crucial. The football side of it - we all want someone who has had a bit of success and hopefully wants to play nice football, but for me its equally important to have someone who sets a high bar, makes no excuses and sets high demands on performance. whoever it is- no calling us a “project”.
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Re: New manager - Who do you want?

Post by Bingo » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:11 pm

I'd rather the job went to Kelly than pennock comes back he does not have a good record in the football league, it must just be someone lumping money on it

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Post by bigmac95 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:12 pm

Jonty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:04 pm For me Being right for this job is 80% ridding the negative perception that held us back for years and was only eradicated under Evatt. It had started to resurface under Dunn who made it clear time and again that “we had made a big step up”. So someone with a track record of bringing everything together on and off the pitch, because that is crucial. The football side of it - we all want someone who has had a bit of success and hopefully wants to play nice football, but for me its equally important to have someone who sets a high bar, makes no excuses and sets high demands on performance. whoever it is- no calling us a “project”.
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