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Re: Jolley gone

Post by Jim » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:43 pm

Mark Johnson wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:27 pm
Mark Johnson wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:25 pm We need to go back to a 3 5 2

For me:

Dixon

Jones, Hird, Brough

Kay (LWB) J Taylor, Banks, Devitt Barry (RWB)

Quigs James
Hardcastle for Banks if fit
Team selection by committee. Last night, when Steeley suggested his choices for midfield, I wrote down my team selection on a scrap of paper and it was almost the same as the one above, except I assumed Hird was not available. Only differences - I had Davies for Hird and Goodridge for J Taylor.

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Post by blue nige » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:45 pm

HenneysKnee wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:46 pm
sambino wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:45 pm Wonder which of the players the board are close to ? I would have though maybe the 2 on furlough often mentioned on here won’t be many left they could get the low down from
Perhaps they just watched Quigleys video interview after yesterday’s game; that was a player with no belief left
I think you're right, it was when he said "I'm not the manager " then he stopped, it was hard watching that !

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Post by Mark Johnson » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:47 pm

Jim wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:43 pm
Mark Johnson wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:27 pm

Hardcastle for Banks if fit
Team selection by committee. Last night, when Steeley suggested his choices for midfield, I wrote down my team selection on a scrap of paper and it was almost the same as the one above, except I assumed Hird was not available. Only differences - I had Davies for Hird and Goodridge for J Taylor.
Davies - also a good shout. Either him or Hird there for me. I really like Hird and I think having as many as the team that got us promoted as possible can only be a good thing. Would also love to see C Brown back involved in the squad. He seems like he really cares and 100% has passion. J Taylor for the reasons I just gave for both Hird and Brown

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Post by EHB » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:49 pm

Think this is the right decision albeit regrettable and pretty embarrassing for the board to be sacking two managers in the space of 2 months.

Was willing to give him time but he overly complicated everything - too clever for his own good I think.

Whilst the boards recruitment decisions haven’t been great I must say fair play for acting decisively. Let’s presume we are gonna stay up, and start a proper recruitment process now and get the right man.

One thing I am concerned about though is the statement the board put out referencing how ‘their vision of how we should play aren’t aligned’ - with all due respect that is not the remit of the board. Appoint the manager on their vision. The board needs to have a vision for how the club operates not how the team plays. I do hope they aren’t interfering. Let the manager manage.

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Post by Jim » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:52 pm

Mark Johnson wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:47 pm
Jim wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:43 pm

Team selection by committee. Last night, when Steeley suggested his choices for midfield, I wrote down my team selection on a scrap of paper and it was almost the same as the one above, except I assumed Hird was not available. Only differences - I had Davies for Hird and Goodridge for J Taylor.
Davies - also a good shout. Either him or Hird there for me. I really like Hird and I think having as many as the team that got us promoted as possible can only be a good thing. Would also love to see C Brown back involved in the squad. He seems like he really cares and 100% has passion. J Taylor for the reasons I just gave for both Hird and Brown
IMO it was no coincidence that the team that picked up some points after Dunn left had (from memory) 8 or 9 of last season's players. I was worried that the January signings might be a case of throwing baby out with the bath water.
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Post by MisterPleasant » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:52 pm

Mark Johnson wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:47 pm
Jim wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:43 pm

Team selection by committee. Last night, when Steeley suggested his choices for midfield, I wrote down my team selection on a scrap of paper and it was almost the same as the one above, except I assumed Hird was not available. Only differences - I had Davies for Hird and Goodridge for J Taylor.
Davies - also a good shout. Either him or Hird there for me. I really like Hird and I think having as many as the team that got us promoted as possible can only be a good thing. Would also love to see C Brown back involved in the squad. He seems like he really cares and 100% has passion. J Taylor for the reasons I just gave for both Hird and Brown
Would you not have a look at Ndjoli instead of James? On paper he should be worth a shout but we've barely had chance to look at him.
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Post by NUFFSAID » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:55 pm

We've been dreadful the last few games, simply awful. With yesterday's first half being the epitemy of what's been bad the last few games - no structure, mind boggling shape, not looking like scoring in a month of Sundays, players appearing to have no idea where they should play and even the seasoned players looking down and deflated. It had to happen, the outcry on the forum yesterday was the worst I think I've seen - nearly everyone has given up on the team (under jolley).

Kelly is the right man - go for it Rob we are all behind you 🙏

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Post by Mark Johnson » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:56 pm

EHB wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:49 pm Think this is the right decision albeit regrettable and pretty embarrassing for the board to be sacking two managers in the space of 2 months.

Was willing to give him time but he overly complicated everything - too clever for his own good I think.

Whilst the boards recruitment decisions haven’t been great I must say fair play for acting decisively. Let’s presume we are gonna stay up, and start a proper recruitment process now and get the right man.

One thing I am concerned about though is the statement the board put out referencing how ‘their vision of how we should play aren’t aligned’ - with all due respect that is not the remit of the board. Appoint the manager on their vision. The board needs to have a vision for how the club operates not how the team plays. I do hope they aren’t interfering. Let the manager manage.
Unless there were broken promises in interview stage. Board clearly want to play out from the back (Evatt model) and would have probably discussed this with Jolley. In the games he had in charge, we have not been playing the football we have been used to under Evatt and even Dunn (in spells) to be fair to him. We seem to play a lot of hit and hope and at least under Cox, we had the players to do this with!

We are also really missing that high press / high intensity side of the game. We seem to give opposition so much space.

I think back to a 3-5-2, high press, play football from the back is the way we need to get out of this.

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Post by Jeeby » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:58 pm

Probably didnt fancy the Q&A on Thursday

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Re: Jolley gone

Post by Mark Johnson » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:58 pm

MisterPleasant wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:52 pm
Mark Johnson wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:47 pm

Davies - also a good shout. Either him or Hird there for me. I really like Hird and I think having as many as the team that got us promoted as possible can only be a good thing. Would also love to see C Brown back involved in the squad. He seems like he really cares and 100% has passion. J Taylor for the reasons I just gave for both Hird and Brown
Would you not have a look at Ndjoli instead of James? On paper he should be worth a shout but we've barely had chance to look at him.
Yeah I would definitely give him a look in sooner rather than later. Wouldn't mind if he started on Tue as like you said - we don't know about a player unless we give them a chance.

I really think there is a good potential partnership there though with James+Quigs under the right formation and style of play

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Post by SayitagainSam » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:58 pm

“The David Brent of Football Managers. Shame he would have taken them down. He is all flip charts and formations but can't manage players. I fancied our chances of survival with him at the helm. A new manager bounce for them would be very bad news for us”. - Grimsby Town Forum.

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Post by andyg » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:01 pm

Well i'm surprised but I know some on here aren't or claim they aren't. But one thing this forum needs to do now and continue to the end of the season try and get behind Kelly and the team as I said on another post this place has been toxic at times and that's the last thing this club needs. Summer is a time to ask those questions and re-align ourselves whatever division we find out selves in.
Couple of things:-
Will there be a meet the manager evening this week? Is so what are we going to ask now?
Downside of Jolley's dismissal - Pedro's back :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just kidding!

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Post by Cromwell58 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:04 pm

What happens if this does not work ? Have we had a manager that lasted less ?
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Post by Middleton Nick » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:04 pm

SayitagainSam wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:58 pm “The David Brent of Football Managers. Shame he would have taken them down. He is all flip charts and formations but can't manage players. I fancied our chances of survival with him at the helm. A new manager bounce for them would be very bad news for us”. - Grimsby Town Forum.
Is that the same forum that said they were sorry to lose him.

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Re: Jolley gone

Post by andyg » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:08 pm

Jeeby wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:58 pm Probably didnt fancy the Q&A on Thursday
Didn't see that text but you are probably right.

Notice a lot on here are already picking Kelly's team for him - we are all such brilliant experts aren't we :roll:

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