Barrow v Walsall, match thread

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by barrowaberdeen » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:45 am

HenneysKnee wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:57 am
Griffin wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:34 am I don't know if it has been tried, but how about targeting the schools before the new season starts?
If the players and the management went into the local schools and talked to the pupils it would almost certainly get some new fans (and of course the parents who would have to take younger children to the games)
Can’t remember many weekends where we’ve been at home this season where some of the players haven’t visited a school or a local youth team or whatever on a Friday; obviously only going off the subsequent social media coverage but they seem to have done that very well this season
This year's kids tickets have been the best ever to be fair to the club- in fact, this is after years and years of arguing with previous regimes. For example, we had to pay the Cassons as a Trust thousands of pounds to buy the 'free' tickets on the once or twice a year we had them. An ex director once told us 'why do we want kids running around' and various people at the club have seen any influx of youngsters as a potential threat or the ridiculous idea that the club is somehow in loco parentis if parents choose to drop their kids at the game. This has been, for the last 2 or 3 years- the best it has been.

I fervently hope the same system keeps going. I've got plenty at the club annoys the life out of me (like the overall approach to catering and having no ale) but at this we are doing great.

However, it does require a bit of drive in the schools and indeed clubs themselves. They have to make an effort to distribute them properly too, not just fire them out. There's three or four schools who I'd say know exactly who most benefits from the tickets.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by Lancaster Branch » Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:20 pm

Home turnouts this season, so far:

4060 - Morecambe
3550 - Swindon
3431 - Grimsby
3417 - Cheltenham
3324 - Newport
3282 - Carlisle
3163 - Bradford
3051 - Harrogate
3048 - Wimbledon
3047 - Colchester
3037 - Crewe
3024 - Chesterfield
3017 - Accy
2903 - Gillingham
2810 - Doncaster
2783 - Notts County
2781 - Port Vale
2738 - Fleetwood
2730 - Salford
2647 - MK
2456 - Walsall


Just for info, of course..there’ll be umpteen reasons for the fluctuations.

I did an article for Beans about crowds v population. We are right up there in terms of the % we attract - but Barrow is a small place and there are limits to how many bums are available to be put on a seat behind a pillar etc.

I think it’s probably a lot of little things that need to be maintained/improved rather than a big bang solution of halving season ticket prices or somesuch.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by barrowaberdeen » Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:34 pm

Agree. Small gains and a bit of sense. They don't give out tickets for schools in holidays, night games and derbies (usually)- and I don't blame them. If you had a look, I think that would collate with the attendances above.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by barrow1987 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:35 pm

Tomo wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:52 am
John_Bucks wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:01 pm

Salford spent millions on a new stadium with a smaller capacity than ours. Sometimes you just have to cut your cloth to suit. It was a small crowd yesterday. Hopefully a one off, but we are where we are as a club/fanbase. Nothing much to get overly dramatic about.
Just read a Walsall fans comment, which said, how can we lose against a club with such small crowds, its embarrassing and such a shame for all the hard work being put in by the owners, management and players, the owners must be thinking what the hell are we bothering putting all this cash into a club who's fans can't be bothered to get off their arses and support us, well I hope the locals don't moan if the owners just say enoughs enough and give it up as a bad job. Obviously I'm not having a go at all the loyal supporters, it's these armchair fans I can't abide.
Ridiculous thing to say at the end. You have seen the price of everything these days? Food, rent, energy? People's wages aren't going up but you want to have a pop at them for not being able to spend 40 quid+ a month on the soccer? Personally I'm nearly 500 quid a year down as of this month and there are plenty of others worse off than me. Think a bit of self awareness is in order before you have a pop at 'armchair' supporters.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by Jonty » Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:41 pm

AFC Blue wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:48 am
Jonty wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 9:43 pm Bradford’s recent home game v Colchester, all advance adult tickets were £5. Boosted the attendance to 23 381.

We could try something like this for the last home game v Bromley and have that game as an inventive for 25/26 ST”s. Maybe something like Bromley ticket = guaranteed early bird 25/26 ST price. Or Bromley matchday ticket = prize draw entry for a 25/26 ST.

Club got to try new things, ST sales need more than an initial push on social media only for it to drop off after a week
Jonty your full of great ideas. There is a vacancy at the club that would allow you to implement these ideas. 🤔
With the drop off in attendance it could be the ideal time for the club to reduce ticket price in an attempt to get more fans in for the last game. Could incentivise it with securing a ST at a guaranteed early bird price locked in.
Also the flag days have been a great success. Is it too late to have a flag day at the last game? Don’t know who organises these. It could be the Trust?.
Appreciate these things need organising and agreeing with the club.
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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by behind the goals » Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:42 pm

Lancaster Branch wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:20 pm Home turnouts this season, so far:

4060 - Morecambe
3550 - Swindon
3431 - Grimsby
3417 - Cheltenham
3324 - Newport
3282 - Carlisle
3163 - Bradford
3051 - Harrogate
3048 - Wimbledon
3047 - Colchester
3037 - Crewe
3024 - Chesterfield
3017 - Accy
2903 - Gillingham
2810 - Doncaster
2783 - Notts County
2781 - Port Vale
2738 - Fleetwood
2730 - Salford
2647 - MK
2456 - Walsall


Just for info, of course..there’ll be umpteen reasons for the fluctuations.

I did an article for Beans about crowds v population. We are right up there in terms of the % we attract - but Barrow is a small place and there are limits to how many bums are available to be put on a seat behind a pillar etc.

I think it’s probably a lot of little things that need to be maintained/improved rather than a big bang solution of halving season ticket prices or somesuch.
The away attendances so far with Tranmere & Bromley still to visit stand at 7,012 average 333, Clubs that brought over 500 are Crewe 548, Port Vale 700, Morecambe 605, Bradford 755, Carlisle 930 and Walsall 615, hopefully Tranmere may bring 500+, we could be losing most of them next season when all promotion & relegation issues are sorted.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by Tomo » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:00 pm

barrow1987 wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:35 pm
Tomo wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:52 am

Just read a Walsall fans comment, which said, how can we lose against a club with such small crowds, its embarrassing and such a shame for all the hard work being put in by the owners, management and players, the owners must be thinking what the hell are we bothering putting all this cash into a club who's fans can't be bothered to get off their arses and support us, well I hope the locals don't moan if the owners just say enoughs enough and give it up as a bad job. Obviously I'm not having a go at all the loyal supporters, it's these armchair fans I can't abide.
Ridiculous thing to say at the end. You have seen the price of everything these days? Food, rent, energy? People's wages aren't going up but you want to have a pop at them for not being able to spend 40 quid+ a month on the soccer? Personally I'm nearly 500 quid a year down as of this month and there are plenty of others worse off than me. Think a bit of self awareness is in order before you have a pop at 'armchair' supporters.
So don't other towns have problems with wages? how come it's not affected there attendances? BAE are crying out for staff so unemployment isn't an excuse in this area, so no I don't believe it's just financial reasons why people don't attend.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by mall » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:03 pm

Tomo wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:00 pm
barrow1987 wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:35 pm

Ridiculous thing to say at the end. You have seen the price of everything these days? Food, rent, energy? People's wages aren't going up but you want to have a pop at them for not being able to spend 40 quid+ a month on the soccer? Personally I'm nearly 500 quid a year down as of this month and there are plenty of others worse off than me. Think a bit of self awareness is in order before you have a pop at 'armchair' supporters.
So don't other towns have problems with wages? how come it's not affected there attendances? BAE are crying out for staff so unemployment isn't an excuse in this area, so no I don't believe it's just financial reasons why people don't attend.
"BAE are crying out for staff so unemployment isn't an excuse in this area"=correct.
"so no I don't believe it's just financial reasons why people don't attend." =correct again. Most people that work in the yard dont live in Barrow-they are the ones with the money that aren't interested so, if you want their money you have to 'get them' interested.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by Mozz » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:04 pm

According to AI, Carlisle population approximately 110,000, with average football attendance of 7482.
Barrow population approximately 55000, with average football attendance of 3413, 7th best in league two.
Seems about right. Just over 6% of both towns population going to the football.
Where’s the problem?

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by bluessupporter » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:14 pm

mall wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:03 pm


"Most people that work in the yard dont live in Barrow-they are the ones with the money that aren't interested so, if you want their money you have to 'get them' interested.
Sadly most of these offcomers go home at weekends, but it would be good to get them to the midweek fixtures - as long as they are not on telly!

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by Tomo » Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:45 pm

Mozz wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 4:04 pm According to AI, Carlisle population approximately 110,000, with average football attendance of 7482.
Barrow population approximately 55000, with average football attendance of 3413, 7th best in league two.
Seems about right. Just over 6% of both towns population going to the football.
Where’s the problem?
Barrows population is just over 65000,

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by Mozz » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:25 pm

You must have done a personal head count, I only got the number from a a census report on the internet. Silly me.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by Mozz » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:47 pm

The town of Barrow-in-Furness, as of the 2021 census, had a population of 55,489. The wider Barrow council district, which includes surrounding areas, had a population of 67,407. Between 2011 and 2021, the population of Barrow-in-Furness decreased by…..

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by bluessupporter » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:51 pm

Mozz wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:25 pm You must have done a personal head count, I only got the number from a a census report on the internet. Silly me.
I have always regarded the population of Barrow as around 65,000 and this post from the ONS seems to back that up:

"In Barrow-in-Furness, the population size has decreased by 2.4%, from around 69,100 in 2011 to 67,400 in 2021".

I understand these are the latest audited figures that are available.

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Re: Barrow v Walsall, match thread

Post by MisterPleasant » Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:52 pm

Mozz wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:25 pm You must have done a personal head count, I only got the number from a a census report on the internet. Silly me.
The Office for National Statistics has the population as 67,400 as derived from the 2021 census. I saw the 55,000 figure you mention on citymapper.de (a German site) but it really doesn't seem right.
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